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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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747-747 haven't been on 747 for a while

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for the 29th of January 2023 Richard

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Saunders coming to you from a Cloudy and

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very steamy muggy sort of moist Sydney

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Australia coming up on this week's show

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apart from the weather report conspiracy

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theories conspiracy theory leaflet or

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flyer I discovered in my letterbox

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oh yes what does the One World

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Government the

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h-a-aarp

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covid-19 5G

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Agenda 21

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and smart cities with LED street lights

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have in common

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well they were all crammed onto a tiny

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flyer I discovered find out more about

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this flyer and some of its wacky claims

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coming up at the top of the show

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following that it's the latest edition

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of the Australian Skeptics newsletter

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read by Adrian Hill and written by Tim

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Mendham and speaking of Tim Mendham

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following that it's the book of Tim

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a new series of the book of Tim and this

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week Tim reviews a book created by the

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Australian Skeptics many years ago

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called creationism an Australian

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perspective way back in the days when a

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big item on the Skeptics agenda was

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fighting the misinformation and lunacy

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of the creationists landed around off

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the show it's back to the Trove archives

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where we read a report a review of the

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1990 Australian Skeptics Convention held

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in Canberra what did the reporters of

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the day think of being at a skeptical

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convention

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over 30 years ago a big shout out to my

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teacher friends who are just getting

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ready now the day before yesterday was a

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day for teachers to

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Gear Up prepare

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psych themselves up do Administration

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and so forth for the coming school year

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and how important the teachers how

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important are they

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world my shout out goes to you

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have a cool ginger ale

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with ice will I do that I hope you enjoy

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sometimes folks after I put the skeptic

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usually on a Sunday morning I wonder

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and sometimes I can go right through to

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Thursday Friday and then suddenly fill

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something like that but this week I

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didn't have to wait long at all

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on Tuesday the 24th of January as I came

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centimeters or roughly 4 inches by six

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paper then cut up and as I look at it

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production I guess and somebody went

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this fly to you this tiny flyer and stop

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vaccines also the climate hoax and harp

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moment the coming orchestrated famine

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based on conspiracy theories about HARP

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theory but I will mention this project

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and the role of covert and the vaccines

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in this agenda and I didn't know about

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of bizarre events but is it complete

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at least some of the conspiracy theories

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agreement signed by over 185 countries

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recently debunked claims that mRNA

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covid-19 vaccines cause damage to

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debunked in fact checks by Reuters the

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polyfact and health desk now I won't go

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lights I wonder what they could do to

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you anyway we'll read on the next

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all caps this is not about health it is

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about a one world government do not

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comply do not vaccinate trust in God

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smart money nightmare the cooking of

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humanity

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plan for 10 years of pandemic and

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lockdowns and I guess that means the who

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10 years of pandemics and lockdowns the

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dimming the dimming

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Rosa Corey Agenda 21 project bluebeam

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ah there's project bluebeam again

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2030 unmask part 1 and part two

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Monopoly

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there's a lot to unpack there

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but just quickly I looked up Rosa Corey

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and she is involved with um spreading

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information shall we say about Agenda 21

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and claiming that that will lead to

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control of all the Earth's resources and

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population

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we read on

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detox have plenty of vitamin C and

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prepare extra food and water copy all

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info as Cyber attack is planned

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now at the bottom of the page this tiny

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flyer in its own little box we read

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Henry Kissinger in a speech to the World

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Health Organization who

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Council on eugenics

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February 25th 2009 now of course Henry

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Kissinger being the former secretary of

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state of the United States in the Nixon

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era

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a long time ago

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and the quote here is quote once the

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herd accepts mandatory forcible

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vaccination it's game over they will

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accept anything forcible blood or organ

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donation for the greater good

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and goes on quote we can genetically

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modified children and sterilize them

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for the greater good control the Sheep

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minds and you control the herd vaccine

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makers stand to make billions and many

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of you in this room today are investors

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it's a big win-win we thin out the herd

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and the herd pays us for providing

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extermination Services now what's for

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lunch huh unquote

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Dr Henry Kissinger

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now

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I sent this flyer around to some of my

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friends and reporters and it didn't take

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long for

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Adrian Hill to send this page back to me

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and this comes from Reuters day to the

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26th of May 2020 false claim Henry

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Kissinger quoted about mandatory

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vaccinations social media users have

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been sharing an image that shows a

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photograph of former U.S Secretary of

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State Henry Kissinger with a quote about

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forced vaccination attributed to him

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there is no evidence Kissinger ever said

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this examples can be seen here and here

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with links to basically what diver what

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I've read out

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and the story goes on Henry Alfred

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Kissinger was the 56th secretary of

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state from 1973 to 1977 assistant to the

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president for National Security affairs

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from 1969 to 1975 and served in several

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other significant political positions he

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was jointly awarded the Nobel Peace

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Prize in 1973 for negotiating a

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ceasefire in Vietnam currently he's the

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chairman of the international consulting

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firm Kissinger Associates Inc and this

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year Henry Kissinger turns 100.

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Reuters could not find any evidence that

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Kissinger said this quote about

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mandatory vaccinations Kissinger's

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Representatives confirmed to Reuters via

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email that the quote is a quote complete

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fabrication end quote Henry Kissinger's

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speeches are archived on his website and

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only two are listed for 2009.

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neither presentation included the quote

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in this claim in 2009 Kissinger did not

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speak at a World Health Organization

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event Reuters could not verify an event

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titled

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who Council on eugenics

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a spokesperson for the who confirmed to

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Reuters via email that no such counsel

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or event exists verdict false there is

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no evidence that shows Kissinger ever

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said this quote about mandatory

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vaccinations

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this article was produced by the Reuters

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fact check team

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well I must say I'm I'm not surprised

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so I must wonder about the mindset of

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the people who download this information

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printed out

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and chop it up more or less evenly it's

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a little bit rough so it's not quite

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even anyway

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printed out very smallly by the way very

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small you almost need a magnifying glass

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to read this in fact I took a scan and

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I blew it up on my screen to have a good

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read of it and it contains so many

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absurdities and easily debunked ideas

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and Notions and conspiracy theories all

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rolled up into one and ultimately I

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guess a plea to Jesus or God or

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something like that a smorgas board of

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conspiracy theories in my letterbox and

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I wonder no matter where you are

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listening to this from around the world

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I wonder if occasionally you come across

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such information in your letterbox or

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maybe on A Street post or on a bulletin

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board or somewhere

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the conspiracy theorists never sleep

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[Music]

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the Earth is only 6 000 years old that's

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what Answers in Genesis and the Creation

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Museum say and how can a museum be wrong

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isn't Dr Oz just wonderful I love

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today's episode it didn't talk down to

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his adoring audience of women at all

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science has proved that the subatomic

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Quantum realm is as real as it is

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counterintuitive and bizarre therefore I

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can use it to support quantum healing

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and Quantum Consciousness after all how

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can journals like Aquarius metaphysics

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be wrong

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evolution is just a theory after all if

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we came from monkeys then why are there

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still monkeys

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we all have friends and family who

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believe these things and much more well

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if you're a rational thinker who is

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tired of arguing on social media and

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this is Adrian Hill from Canada here to

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read the highlights from the Australian

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Skeptics newsletter this is newsletter

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but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

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for us this week

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hi all says Tim

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we were saddened to hear of the death of

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skep Doc Harriet Hall with the death of

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skeptical Inquirer editor Kendrick

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Fraser late last year and now Harriet

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the skeptical world has lost two key

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figures in a short space of time but the

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weird and wonderful world carries on

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regardless

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Vale Harriet Hall

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Harriet Hall who used to write under the

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moniker skept dog died suddenly on

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January 11th though suffering during the

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last few years from declining Health

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including heart failure and arrhythmias

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she continued to offer her informed and

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often scathing observations on

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pseudomedicine and quackery

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as Stephen Novella says in an obituary

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quote she was always fearless and

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tireless in promoting and defending

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science reason and above all what she

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considered the best interest of her

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patients she was driven by the desire to

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protect the public from misinformation

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exploitation and the bad science and

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thinking that lead to Bad Medicine end

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quote

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Harriet visited Melbourne in 2016 for

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the Australian Skeptics National

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Convention where she gave a presentation

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anti-vaccine group relaunches as

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Founders face charges

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anti-vaccine flood relief group Aussie

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Helping Hands which raised five hundred

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thousand dollars for flood relief

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victims has relaunched under a new name

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claiming that it was cleared of

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misappropriating funds

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as the crikey website reports last year

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the group was the subject of an

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of fair Trading

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some followers of the group on social

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media began to question how the money

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was being spent after this was reported

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the group started to include what crikey

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describes as quote big unverified

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wave goodbye to Nessie an explanation

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for Nessie sightings has been put

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forward that relies on the monster's

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home in long and deep narrow Lakes used

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by heavy vessels

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all sizable vessels create awake in deep

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water if traveling at a constant speed

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firstly a disturbance created by the

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screw propellers trailing in line behind

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the vessel and secondly awake created by

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the boughs spreading out both sides at a

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this is known as the Kelvin wake and is

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the vessel at 19.5 degrees

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this could be an explanation for

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sightings of Nessie moving through the

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poor asleep paranormal belief

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a new study published in the Journal of

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sleep research has investigated

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paranormal beliefs in relation to a wide

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range of sleep variables a sample of

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close to 9 000 people who completed a

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survey initiated by the BBC Focus

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Magazine reported on their demographics

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sleep disturbances and paranormal

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beliefs

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poorer subjective Sleep Quality such as

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lower sleep efficiency longer sleep

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latency shorter sleep duration and

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increased insomnia symptoms was

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associated with greater endorsement of

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belief in the soul living on after death

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the existence of ghosts demons and

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ability for some people to communicate

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with the dead near-death experiences

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being evidence for life after death and

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aliens having visited Earth

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in addition episodes of exploding head

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syndrome and isolated sleep paralysis

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were associated with the belief that

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aliens have visited Earth

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I don't know what exploding head

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Siri

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what is exploding head syndrome

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she's what I found

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exploding head syndrome is an abnormal

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sensory perception during sleep in which

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hallucinations that are loud and of

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short duration when falling asleep or

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waking up huh

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okay I wonder why it's called exploding

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Wikipedia Skeptics and the Paranormal

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cool and long article looks at the

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skeptical approach of the Paranormal how

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the Paranormal is portrayed on Wikipedia

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and takes some swipes at the skeptical

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community and some notable individuals

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including Susan gerbeck and her

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organization Guerrilla skepticism on

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Wikipedia a name which the article

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repeatedly gets wrong as it does with

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the description of gurpic as a quote

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U.S report on uaps

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the U.S Office of the Director of

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National Intelligence or odni has looked

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at a total of 510 UAP or unidentified

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aerial phenomena reports as of August

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30th 2022 it says that quote The

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observed increase in the UAP reporting

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rate is partially due to a better

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understanding of the possible threats

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that UAP may represent either as safety

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of flight hazards or as potential

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adversary collection platforms and

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partially due to reduced stigma

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surrounding UAP reporting end quote

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initial analysis and characterization of

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366 newly identified reports says that

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26 were characterized as unmanned

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aircraft systems or uas or uas-like

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entities which often means drones are

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such like

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163 were balloons or balloon like anti

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cities and six were attributed to

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clutter quote many reports like enough

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detailed data to enable attribution of

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UAP with high certainty end quote

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no mention of aliens

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why people consult psychics

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this is a conversation article on why

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about a quarter of Brits have consulted

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a psychic including Prince Harry who

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revealed that a psychic possibly Sally

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Morgan contacted his dead mother

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Princess Diana the article lays out the

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lack of evidence to support psychic

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contact but suggests there may be some

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benefit in using psychic services to

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cope with grief

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hmm I wonder what Susan gerbick would

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have to say about that

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ghosts hunting apps

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the latest apps available on your phone

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to scout out ghosts include the musical

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spotted

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go switch quote works by playing an

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eerie ditty if there is an unusual spike

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in the electromagnetic field around the

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phone or a sudden movement this should

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be appealing to any spirits of the long

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dead and act as a trigger to encourage

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them to engage further end quote the

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tune is based on those old winding toys

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that play tinny sounding classical

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pieces then again this other story has a

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list of the best fake ghost detector

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apps for Android phones they don't

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really detect any ghosts quote but if

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you're looking for something to just

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play around with or even prank and make

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someone scared that there's a ghost

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around these apps are perfect for that

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end quote

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apps that don't really reveal ghosts

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[Music]

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Bolivian Airline enlists psychic to find

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missing feline

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Bolivia's state-owned Airline boa

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apparently enlisted an inter-species

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Communicator to track down a lost cat

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after a passenger's pet went missing in

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transit

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the airline stopped at search after a

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week though it did agree to pay the

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owner's cost while she kept looking

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around the airport in the Bolivian city

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of tariha

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the psychic remotely working from La Paz

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has been in touch with the owner of

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WhatsApp to say they sensed Tito is

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still alive but there is so far no trace

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of the missing feline though the airline

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has been fined for poor procedure in

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handling the animal which was possibly

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never loaded onto the plane in the first

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place the here

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South African cops spooked by vicious

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ghosts

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police officers in the South African

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province of Limpopo abandoned their

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police station for a few days late last

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year following an allegedly vicious

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attack by ghosts

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it allegedly took place a few days

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before Christmas and New Year the

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officers said they had to abandon the

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station as they feared The Vicious

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ghosts would attack them they drove

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around their Village until dawn because

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the ghosts had turned the station into

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their playground they said lights were

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flickering on and off A Gentle Wind in

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the toilet

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um no jokes please and the cries of

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quote unusual wild animals end quote and

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footsteps quote similar to a giant

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elephant end quote which assumes you

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know what a giant elephant sounds like

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it also makes you wonder how the cops

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well that's all for now until next time

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this is Adrian Hill signing off from the

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land of the Chinook Winds which gives us

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a lovely break from cold temperatures

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during the winter

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for example today it's a wonderful 9

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degrees Celsius out everything is

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melting tomorrow is supposed to be quite

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nice again but by Saturday Canada time

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the Chinook is going to leave and winter

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will return with the high being minus

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16.

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kicker

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is

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[Music]

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deal

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ER

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[Music]

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and now a reading from the book of Tim

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[Music]

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with Tim Mendham

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[Music]

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hi I'm Tim Enderman executive officer of

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Australian Skeptics Inc and I'm the

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editor of our quarterly magazine the

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skeptic

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and I'm reading today from the past

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issue of the magazine from September

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2020 in which we have part of our book

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reviews which we have every quarter I

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looked at one of our books just to be

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different and the book is of course

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creationism and Australian perspective

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Creations was a big issue especially in

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the 80s in Australia not so much now but

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this was our first major publication and

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[Music]

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anyone in publishing will tell you that

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the magazine industry is going through

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difficult types

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it's a fact of life that the public are

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not reading as many magazines as they

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once did

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at least I did hard copy

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younger and many not so young readers

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are exclusively turning to digital media

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and often items that are more

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bit sized or bite-sized than those

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long-form articles and commentaries that

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are the Mainstay of print magazines

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this means that advertisers are

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following suit going digital appearing

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in targeted social media and issuing the

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printed versions

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it's difficult to maintain any sort of

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publication in these circumstances

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commercial organizations whose magazines

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once flourished with a high ad Ed

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editorial content ratio of 60 to 40

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other 60 ads and 40 ordinary editorial

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in some cases 70 30 or even higher

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which means you had to Wade through a

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lot of ads before you got to the reading

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material

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are these days feeling the pinch of

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declining ad Revenue ratios may be the

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reverse of what they were once which

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means the financial support is rapidly

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diminishing along eventually with many

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of the magazines themselves

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magazines that are published by

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organizations often with little if any

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paid advertising content rely on member

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fees reader subscriptions what gender as

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a benefactors to keep going

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staff are rarely paid and neither are

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contributors the magazines must rely on

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a continuing supply of volunteers to

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keep up production and content

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unfortunately while volunteers May mean

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well and may have pertinent skills

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eventually they get tired or bored

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exhausted frustrated or simply too old

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to continue

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finding a supply of fresh blood is

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difficult especially as the pool of

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experience and reliable writers editors

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and Publishers gradually diminishes with

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a declining industry

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finding the dollars to pay the

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publishing bills particularly with

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declining subscriptions is equally

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difficult

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and this is equally true of skeptical

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Publications

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Wikipedia lists 48 skeptical titles but

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it must be said that a fair proportion

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of those are more newsletter than

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magazine some are not strictly skeptical

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either they may be designed for the

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rationalist secular or humanist market

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and some sadly no longer exist

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but even rarer than skeptical magazines

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are skeptical books put out by skeptical

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organizations themselves obviously there

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are books created by commercial

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Publishers Prometheus books is a leader

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in the field but publishing by most

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not-for-profit skeptical organizations

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is

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in the main limited to soft cover

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magazines and even those as explained

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are often stretching the resources of an

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organization's members one skeptical

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organization has butt to that Trend

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albeit relatively early in its existence

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gives the publisher other magazine that

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I'm reading from the skeptic

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Australian Skeptics was launched in 1980

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with the first issue of the skeptic

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magazine appearing in 1981

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thus making us the second oldest English

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language skeptical group and skeptical

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magazine in the world

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in the early days interest focused on

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classic skeptical paranormal topics like

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UFOs astrology psychics unknown

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creatures Etc but the most serious issue

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facing Skeptics in Australia in the

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1980s was creationism

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and specifically the teaching of

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anti-evolution religious fundamental

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quote creation science unquote in

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science classes in Queensland schools

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it was not surprising therefore that two

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enthusiastic Skeptics from that state

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wanted to put out a book rebutting

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creationist claims from a scientific

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perspective

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Australian Skeptics agreed and

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encouraged Dr Martin bridgestock and Dr

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Ken Smith to compile and edit an

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extinctive collection of Articles

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submitted by experts in their fields

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topics covered include of human

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evolution carbon dating the age of the

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Earth physics and the speed of light

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dinosaur and human Footprints Noah's Ark

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and the flu

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as well as a history of the creationist

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movement internationally and in

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Australia and a review of strange

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comments made by creationists

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the result was called creationism and

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Australian perspective

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there was an instant hit going through

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three editions and four printings

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between January 1986 and July 1987.

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the fourth Expanded Edition was added in

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2001.

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it was not the most sophisticated

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publication from a design perspective

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but it's content packed a punch

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the book's lighter editions concluded

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with a call to Arms quote the corruption

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of Science and of Science Education

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would be graved by itself

847
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,520
however the success of creationism would

848
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,380
set a precedent which should be as

849
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,119
frightening to fundamentalist Christians

850
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:35,640
as it is to scientists it would

851
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,380
establish that a fanatical minority

852
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:39,900
bound with errors and misrepresentations

853
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,500
can impose its ideas upon every child in

854
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,359
a state school system

855
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,480
our duty as responsible adults is clear

856
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,700
we must defend the Integrity of our

857
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:53,460
science and our education and do our

858
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:55,260
best to give our children the best start

859
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,960
we can for the morrow close quote

860
00:40:01,849 --> 00:39:59,820
because that still applies today with

861
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,859
various topics the campaign in which

862
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:03,440
this book played such an important part

863
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:06,060
successfully pushed creationism in

864
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,859
Australia back into what its minority

865
00:40:11,569 --> 00:40:09,660
support deserved

866
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:11,579
it also raised the profile of Australian

867
00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:13,079
Skeptics with the general public in

868
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,480
Australia as an organization dealing

869
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,359
with serious issues in a serious manner

870
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:20,460
and not as just a quaint bunch of

871
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:23,220
curmudgeons dealing with trivial issues

872
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,380
such as UFOs and the Loch Ness Monster

873
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:27,300
it also raised Australian Skeptics

874
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,339
profile in the international skeptical

875
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:31,740
Community positioning it as an activist

876
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:34,020
organization willing to put itself on

877
00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:35,940
the front foot and publicly and

878
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,420
energetically we would hope effectively

879
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:40,619
engage with those who would use

880
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:43,380
pseudoscience for personal gain and

881
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:44,700
influence

882
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,380
Australian Skeptics still holds that

883
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,079
reputation and for good reason it has

884
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,420
proudly remained activist and comments

885
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:53,040
are often made by individuals from other

886
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,079
countries that they wish their own group

887
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:58,560
were as active as Australian Skeptics

888
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,079
the creationism book was intrinsic to

889
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,119
the reputation and the development of

890
00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:05,220
the skeptical movement in Australia

891
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,160
there were other publications of

892
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,599
reprinted of Galleries and revealed a

893
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:11,520
book by magician Ben Harris on Yuri

894
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,220
gella's spoon bending techniques and

895
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,160
skeptical a compendium of short articles

896
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,160
on a range of 36 skeptical topics from

897
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:22,560
Aliens to water divining put out by the

898
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:24,180
Canberra Skeptics

899
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,800
but with all due difference to the

900
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:27,900
efforts of the authors and editors of

901
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,180
those Publications none had the impact

902
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,099
of creationism and Australian

903
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:33,359
perspective

904
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,119
both within the creationist debate and

905
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:38,700
the broader nature and role of skeptical

906
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:40,140
organizations

907
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:42,599
and incidentally to the instigators for

908
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:44,460
the publication as Bridge stock and

909
00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:46,320
Smith were made Australian Skeptics

910
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:50,579
first life members for their efforts

911
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:52,440
those interested in the debate and the

912
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,020
scientific counter arguments which sadly

913
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,880
are still necessary as creationist

914
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,040
claims have ironically evolved little

915
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,920
over the past 30 plus years can download

916
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:05,040
a free copy of the book using the link

917
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,170
that is

918
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,280
[Music]

919
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:08,960
tinyurl.com

920
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:13,440
slash creationism lost Skeptics

921
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,940
and there will be a link to that

922
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:16,440
creationism book where you can download

923
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:18,580
it in the show notes

924
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:24,770
and we have to thank Stephanie Peter

925
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:27,060
bowditch for being the custodian of that

926
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,500
copy of the book

927
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:30,300
I'm sure you would enjoy reading it If

928
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:31,980
Only from an historical perspective

929
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:33,180
although the arguments against

930
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:36,119
creationism still stand and are still

931
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:37,320
valid

932
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:39,660
thank you so that was uh the amendum

933
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,400
reading from the skeptic Magazine from a

934
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:43,500
book review called the good book

935
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:46,619
from September 2020 issue of the skeptic

936
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,060
and you can download that issue of the

937
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:49,920
skeptic along with virtually every other

938
00:42:55,350 --> 00:42:52,740
issue since 1981 off our website

939
00:43:01,240 --> 00:42:55,360
skeptics.com

940
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,930
[Music]

941
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:12,000
the skeptic the journal from Australian

942
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:13,079
Skeptics

943
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,940
subscribe online the world's second

944
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,220
oldest skeptical magazine

945
00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:19,040
just visit

946
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,660
www.skeptics.com

947
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,240
and click the Magazine Link there you

948
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:26,700
will also find free to download almost

949
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:30,420
40 Years of back issues the skeptic the

950
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,099
journal from Australian Skeptics

951
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:34,920
available as a physical copy or as a

952
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:43,440
foreign

953
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:53,070
[Music]

954
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:00,650
once again to go back to those digital

955
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:07,430
trove.nla.gov dot a u the online

956
00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:08,760
resource from the Australian government

957
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:11,000
and the National Library of Australia

958
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:14,339
full of resources going back decades and

959
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:17,339
decades and decades printed reports

960
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:21,119
newspapers magazines I think you get the

961
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:22,260
idea

962
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,300
and as I like to say you never know what

963
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:27,599
you're going to find I was trawling the

964
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:31,140
Trove and I came across an account an

965
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:32,700
account of an Australian Skeptics

966
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,680
Convention held way back

967
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,780
in 1990.

968
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:38,400
and this comes from the camera times

969
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:42,359
dated the 16th of June 1990.

970
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:45,060
confronting old dogmas with new tricks

971
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:47,819
Robert Macklin goes in search of the

972
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:51,060
skeptical soul and sets a challenge for

973
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:58,210
[Music]

974
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:02,400
no it wasn't a standing ovation not

975
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:04,980
quite but the Roar of Applause from the

976
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:07,140
crowded lecture hall rolled over Me In

977
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,680
Waves it was the next best thing a glow

978
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:13,020
formed in the pit of my stomach and then

979
00:45:19,329 --> 00:45:16,260
expanded itself to fill every extremity

980
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:19,339
surely there can be no more delightful

981
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,160
more corrupting feeling the moment it

982
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:26,220
ends you want it to start again suddenly

983
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:28,740
you realize why performers never retire

984
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:32,760
it is instant habituation the occasion

985
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,740
was the annual conference of the

986
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,260
Australian Skeptics held in Melbourne

987
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:40,020
last weekend as the author of that book

988
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:43,140
I had been invited to put the case that

989
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,440
quote the Skeptics should tackle

990
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:49,619
religion end quote an area they have

991
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,380
astewed since their Inception 10 years

992
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:55,440
ago to such an audience it would be seen

993
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,460
as a very congenital proposition but in

994
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:01,619
fact the skeptic establishment was dead

995
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:04,560
against it to take the bull by the horns

996
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:07,800
as it were was they felt to invite

997
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:11,760
organizational destruction so as soon as

998
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:14,280
I agreed to put the case they closed

999
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:15,900
ranks and nominated the national

1000
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:19,200
president Mr Barry Williams to oppose it

1001
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:23,400
and Mr Williams is a most formidable

1002
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:27,060
opponent a practiced debater the figure

1003
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,380
of persuasive Authority moreover they

1004
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,200
had organized for other state presidents

1005
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,260
to put questions from the floor in the

1006
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:39,359
form of many speeches desecrating the

1007
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:41,819
proposition and calling my motives into

1008
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:44,579
question prior to the vote but that

1009
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:46,260
wouldn't take place for a few minutes

1010
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:49,619
meantime the speech that had kept me

1011
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:51,900
awake for the entire previous night was

1012
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,900
over done and the applause was like

1013
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,700
champagne

1014
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,640
in 25 years as a journalist this is the

1015
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:02,400
most difficult story I have written the

1016
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:04,020
nature of the journalist is to report

1017
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:07,260
the words and deeds of others but what

1018
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:08,940
if you find yourself at the center of

1019
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:11,220
the story Alfred Deacon had a solution

1020
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,040
he remained a journalist for a London

1021
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:17,040
newspaper while keeping his day job as

1022
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:19,260
Prime Minister of Australia he would

1023
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,780
write the most authoritative dispatchers

1024
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,640
concerning cabinet decisions and

1025
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:25,800
government initiatives for his English

1026
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,280
readers but he invariably used a nonda

1027
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:32,640
plume to keep his identity Secret in my

1028
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,579
case that would be simple deception but

1029
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,560
how does one write the damn things

1030
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:39,359
without appearing like an unpleasant

1031
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,200
self-promoter this is the sixth draft

1032
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:46,079
and I still haven't figured it out the

1033
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:48,359
astrologer one Douglas Parker was

1034
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,300
adamant his predictions actually worked

1035
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,720
no less than 85 percent of the time what

1036
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:56,640
went wrong with the other 15 percent

1037
00:48:03,829 --> 00:47:59,819
asked a question from the floor I'm not

1038
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:03,839
God replied Mr Parker not yet anyway he

1039
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,780
said this became clear when he left the

1040
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:09,119
conference in a huff his battery was

1041
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:10,980
flat and the car wouldn't start until

1042
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,300
the racv and that's an auto club arrived

1043
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,420
an hour later Barry Jones a former

1044
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:20,339
Minister for science officially opened

1045
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,099
the proceedings on the Saturday with a

1046
00:48:31,210 --> 00:48:26,700
speech which seemed to confuse skeptic

1047
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:31,220
with cynic he is a man in anguish

1048
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,480
discarded from the ministry where at

1049
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,040
least he had some access to the great

1050
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:37,680
decisions of State he now cries out from

1051
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:40,020
the Wilderness it is an appeal for

1052
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:43,560
foresight for anticipation of the crisis

1053
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:46,800
which await us he used an analogy which

1054
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:49,020
struck listeners as being a little

1055
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,920
unfair idealism if a skeptical approach

1056
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,200
had been taken in cabinet to many of the

1057
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:57,599
decisions confronting government only

1058
00:49:02,450 --> 00:48:59,700
the immediate benefits would have been

1059
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:02,460
considered this would have prevented a

1060
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,200
wide range of initiatives from taking

1061
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:06,780
place immigration manufacturing and

1062
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:09,300
scientific research among them an

1063
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:11,640
audience largely comprised of immigrants

1064
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:15,119
and scientists nodded vigorously they

1065
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,460
were on his side but Barry was lost in

1066
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,920
his voluminous notes the first

1067
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:22,079
substantive session involved the

1068
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:24,359
professor of education at Monash

1069
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,540
University Nick Gustin and the former

1070
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:30,240
deputy prime minister doc Dr Jim Cairns

1071
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:33,720
their topic concerned critical thinking

1072
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:37,680
and or idealism in Science Education it

1073
00:49:43,069 --> 00:49:39,900
was not really a debate since their

1074
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,079
arguments only rarely touched and never

1075
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,260
overlapped in fact Professor gunston's

1076
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:49,980
critical thinking performance was more a

1077
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:53,220
classroom presentation than a speech out

1078
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,500
came the overhead slides many of which

1079
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,079
contained selected sentences from his

1080
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:01,260
address designed presumably for the slow

1081
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:02,520
learners

1082
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,359
his main indeed his only theme seemed to

1083
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:08,220
be the assertion that science teachers

1084
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,020
needed to be more rigorous in their

1085
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:12,960
methods and practices again no one

1086
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,900
demurred except for the Filipino woman

1087
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,720
in the front row who interrupted the

1088
00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:20,000
professor's

1089
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:24,060
83rd Slide by suggesting that his rigor

1090
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:27,780
had not extended to spelling exaggerate

1091
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,740
she said head to jeez he should at least

1092
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:33,720
have had the grace to blush

1093
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:37,260
Dr Cannes abused and excoriated what he

1094
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,440
termed the patriarchal society in which

1095
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:43,140
we find ourselves our concern should be

1096
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:45,540
more organic than sexual he urged but

1097
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:47,579
without telling us just how this might

1098
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:50,099
be achieved physically the years have

1099
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,220
been kind to him but few in his audience

1100
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:55,740
were able to follow his reasoning and

1101
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,140
unfortunately he looked and sounded like

1102
00:51:02,329 --> 00:51:00,240
a patriarch

1103
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,339
the mid-afternoon break was the first

1104
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:04,500
opportunity to get a good look at my

1105
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:07,380
fellow Skeptics up close this being the

1106
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,480
first and only organization apart from

1107
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:11,520
the Australian journalists Association

1108
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,280
that I have joined I was anxious to

1109
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:17,220
discover the caliber and style of the

1110
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:20,720
skeptical Soul they were I have to say

1111
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:23,880
an unusual looking bunch ranging from

1112
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:26,520
the solid core of academics who taken

1113
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,200
oath along with their doctorate I

1114
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:31,020
suspect to present themselves oddly to

1115
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:33,900
the world and the new breed of central

1116
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:37,440
Victorian farmers and their gifted wives

1117
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:40,980
to the Aging Ladies One often finds in

1118
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,859
literary societies to displaced middle

1119
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:46,400
Europeans with a strident point of view

1120
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,040
too and this was the surprise ordinary

1121
00:51:54,349 --> 00:51:52,079
Suburban Australians who had flown or

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driven from Adelaide Sydney and

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Melbourne's outskirts to take sustenance

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from the Society of fellow doubters

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there's a saying that quote pretty girls

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don't join the Skeptics end quote and on

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the evidence that's true too after the

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break we really got down to business

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with an old-fashioned debate between a

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00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:18,059
Medico Dr Carl Wieland managing director

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of The Creation Science Foundation and

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00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:25,200
Dr Neil Archbold PhD from the geology

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00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:27,900
Department of Melbourne University their

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00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,099
topic creationism can it be part of

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Science Education

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Dr Whelan spoke first and one must give

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00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,660
him points for sheer courage for if

1138
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:41,280
there's anything which seems to

1139
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:44,040
encourage a skeptic it's the idea that

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00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,260
the world was created a mere 10 000

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00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,020
years ago and that all the fossils were

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the result of Noah's flood but without

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00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:54,960
being exact on The Dating that's

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00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,020
precisely what Dr Whelan argued moreover

1145
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:00,900
his presentation was measured calm and

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00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:04,020
quite without histrionics if only he had

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00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:06,359
an actual case he might have carried the

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00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:07,079
day

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00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:10,920
for Neil Archbold was bombastic strident

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00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:14,160
and clearly in the thrall of his

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00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:15,720
research files

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00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:18,300
and he made the silly mistake of arguing

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00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,420
on the creationists grounds of trying to

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00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:23,460
disprove their absurdities rather than

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00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:27,359
forcing them to make the case thus we

1156
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,099
had what seemed like several hours of

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00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,200
discussion on the issue of freedom of

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00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,780
speech and the right of a child to hear

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00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,180
an alternative View

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00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,359
and when Archbold pointed out that there

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were 106 registered religions in

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Australia and asked why Whelan's

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fundamentalist Christian should be the

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00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:48,420
only alternative offered to a scientific

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00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:51,960
Viewpoint he even had an answer for that

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00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:54,900
the other religions he said had their

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00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:58,160
God acting outside the system only the

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00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:01,680
judeo-christians involved him with a

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00:54:08,569 --> 00:54:05,700
capital H in the actual creation at the

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00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,579
time it almost made sense

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00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:10,740
dinner at the homes Glen Conference

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00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:13,859
Center which is not the Ritz was

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00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,680
informal and fun my two opponents in the

1174
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:18,720
Morrow's debate Barry Williams and Mark

1175
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,300
Plummer the Victorian president took us

1176
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:23,880
through 10 years of Skeptics foundation

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00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,220
and Adventures paid tribute to Dick

1178
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,740
Smith and Philip Adams who assisted at

1179
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:31,680
the birth then Mark Plummer did a trick

1180
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,400
how did he do it he didn't say but my

1181
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:37,680
table had figured it out before the

1182
00:54:43,790 --> 00:54:40,800
dessert arrived Sunday morning was free

1183
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:43,800
time for the participants while the

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00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:46,680
establishment plotted to wipe the floor

1185
00:54:55,089 --> 00:54:50,579
with the Canberra upstart first up was

1186
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,099
the case for astrology and what an awful

1187
00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:58,559
anti-climax that was poor Douglas Parker

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00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:01,559
with his 85 strike rate was billed as a

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member of the Federation of astrological

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associations of Australia but his

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00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,599
opponent astronomer Dr Stephen Roberts

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00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:12,180
was called to the telephone as the

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00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:13,559
debate ended

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00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:17,339
the Federation had rung to disown Mr

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00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,000
Parker and all his works by then Mr Park

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00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:23,700
was trying to start his car

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00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:26,760
two medicos and medicos is a slang

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00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:29,819
expression here in Australia for a

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00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:32,579
doctor or somebody who is involved in in

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00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:35,880
medicine do medicos found common ground

1201
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:39,059
on the use of alternative medicine for

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00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,059
quite some time and with the aid of more

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00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:45,180
overhead slides then you can poke a

1204
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:46,920
stethoscope at

1205
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,339
then at last the decks were cleared for

1206
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:52,980
the great religious debate

1207
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:54,540
Magic

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00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:56,579
our chairman was the distinguished

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00:56:02,270 --> 00:56:00,000
academic James Grant I was first up and

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00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:02,280
I gathered my speech between trembling

1211
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:05,819
fingers and approached the lectern I now

1212
00:56:09,609 --> 00:56:07,260
believe in magic

1213
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,619
when the Roar of Applause finally died

1214
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,700
Barry Williams stepped up to the

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00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:12,720
microphone

1216
00:56:18,849 --> 00:56:16,559
I agree 100 with Robert he said and

1217
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,859
turned his back to the chair

1218
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,400
unfortunately

1219
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,700
he didn't stay there in fact it was a

1220
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:26,880
terrific debating Ploy he returned to

1221
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:29,640
lectern and launched a full frontal

1222
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:32,940
attack but he might have overdone it for

1223
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,700
when the questions and the attacks from

1224
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:37,619
the floor were done and James grant

1225
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:41,220
called for a show of hands well I wish I

1226
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:44,819
could say that modesty forbids but you

1227
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:47,880
know I wasn't fair Dinkum we creamed

1228
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:48,839
them

1229
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,960
not that it makes any difference the

1230
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:53,640
whole thing will now go back to the

1231
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:56,040
state committees and they'll reverse the

1232
00:57:03,049 --> 00:56:59,880
decision and then I will resign in

1233
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,059
indignant protest and never again will I

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00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:06,960
find myself in this absurd position of

1235
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:09,240
reporter as participant

1236
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:13,260
but it really was terrific

1237
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,780
I wonder if there's any actual money in

1238
00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:18,720
giving speeches to crowded lecture halls

1239
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:22,760
[Music]

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00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,400
and that article was by Robert McMan in

1241
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:29,760
the Canberra times and that dates from

1242
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:33,950
the 16th of June 1990.

1243
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,260
[Music]

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00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:39,540
so there you are an account of an

1245
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:43,380
Australian Skeptics convention almost 33

1246
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:45,420
years ago

1247
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:49,319
another generation other points of view

1248
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,540
it's interesting to look back into the

1249
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:53,280
past and see

1250
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:56,339
what Skeptics were doing way back then

1251
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:58,380
that's quite apt really because later on

1252
00:58:02,210 --> 00:57:59,640
this year the Australian Skeptics

1253
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:02,220
National Convention will once again be

1254
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:05,640
Melbourne I wonder if Dr Steve Roberts

1255
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:08,339
might step up to the microphone one more

1256
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:09,119
time

1257
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:11,160
and a big shout out to all my friends of

1258
00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:13,260
course in Melbourne

1259
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:16,920
I think I'll pass this uh this clipping

1260
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,680
Tim Mendham for safe keeping or

1261
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:21,839
reference or recording

1262
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:24,900
and it's it's really is a really

1263
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,079
interesting snippet of what what did

1264
00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:30,780
they say what's that expression a piece

1265
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:34,140
of time a time capsule a um a snapshot

1266
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,540
that's the expression a snapshot of

1267
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,680
History

1268
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:40,559
you too can find all sorts of snapshots

1269
00:58:48,049 --> 00:58:43,760
of History by going to Trove at

1270
00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:48,059
trove.nla.gov dot a u because as I have

1271
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:50,819
discovered you never know what you might

1272
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:51,660
find

1273
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:07,069
[Music]

1274
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:08,809
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1275
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:11,160
Zone podcast the last skeptic Zone

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00:59:16,569 --> 00:59:14,880
podcast for January next skeptic Zone

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00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:16,579
podcast

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00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:20,280
748 will be in on the 5th of February

1279
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,440
and some of the items we'll be covering

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00:59:29,089 --> 00:59:25,920
in Trove for example will be iridology

1281
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:29,099
looking into your eye to determine your

1282
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:30,660
health

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00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:34,079
another edition of the book of Tim and

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00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:35,880
in her continuing series on Wiki

1285
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:38,660
projects Adrian Hill will look at

1286
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:41,579
cryptozoology strange and Fantastic

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00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:45,000
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00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:46,380
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1299
01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:11,940
time for me to go so until next week

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01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:14,280
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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:00,119
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01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:14,510
that's what I'd say I think we should do

1318
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:17,520
it two or later on if the The Gardens of

1319
01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:18,799
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1320
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:21,299
what you could you could tell the

1321
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,980
listeners about the lizards that's right

1322
01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:24,480
we could the wildlife fairy and see

1323
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:25,980
there's dragonflies there's cockatoos

1324
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,000
koalas the odd kangaroos we've had foxes

1325
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:32,280
here foxes here yeah here yeah I've had

1326
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:34,200
a fox you'll sit there watching telly

1327
01:01:37,849 --> 01:01:35,700
yeah and a fox just walked past along

1328
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:37,859
the decking What stopped looked in at it

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01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:40,319
looked at it and then it ran off asking